In this Trial Lawyer Nation podcast, Michael Cowen sits down with Ohio attorney, Andy Young, who like Michael, specializes in trucking cases.
Andy’s journey over the past 20 years of practicing law and ultimately specializing in trucking cases started by accident when his hobby for rehabbing trucks, as well as starting a trucking company, turned out to be more valuable than he expected where he was being asked to speak at various trucking litigation groups. Essentially his passion for “anything on wheels” and his upbringing around big equipment propelled him toward the industry as well. He goes on to establish upfront that he indeed does not hate the trucking industry as some might conclude by having become a trucking attorney. Andy cares deeply for the truck drivers as well as the component of the industry that treats the drivers well while also explaining in great detail the parts of the industry he does not care for, which abuses the drivers and stokes safety issues all in the name of profits. He goes on to say that everything he does “ultimately is in favor of safety and in favor of the truck drivers too.”
Beyond filing lawsuits to try and improve the trucking industry, Andy is also involved in several advocacy efforts having originally become involved through some articles he had written and published back in 2011 on underride crashes, which have evolved all the way through giving testimony to Congress on the issue. He talks through some of the efforts that he’s been a part of in shining a light on the issues that surround truck crashes, specifically underride guards and rear guards, where the industry has made significant strides to reduce fatalities from crashes involving underrides in Europe, but continue to lack in the United States. While Andy has started to see the needle move a little bit in regards to instituting safety features that would prevent such fatalities, he also sees the trailer manufactures resist the urge to make their products safer while using federal regulations as a scapegoat for not making these life-saving improvements. This transitions into Andy sharing how helpful it can be for the families who have lost a family member to a truck crash to become active in safety advocacy as a way to give them some purpose to their loss.
Michael asks Andy, with his unique perspective as a truck driver and running a trucking company, what he’s learned to make him a better trucking lawyer. Undoubtedly, Andy refers to his time behind the wheel as being the most valuable and suggests that those who are looking to be great trucking lawyers do what Michael Cowen did and go to truck driving school to get a more intimate understanding of what truck drivers experience as well as a better understanding of what it’s like to maneuver such large pieces of equipment. Andy also continues to use his truck driving skills as a part of a small race car team where he drives the truck that carries the car and finds himself constantly thinking about his cases every time he gets behind the wheel. This has allowed him to more effectively communicate with truck drivers better and understand things that perhaps other attorneys might not consider. He goes on to describe several examples of how this has come in handy citing personal experiences that have helped him to debunk some theories placed on truck drivers in cases when it comes to the speeds they travel at in relation to what gear they are in, which he notes has “been very, very beneficial.”
The conversation shifts to Andy discussing his great results in the face of some fairly tough fact patterns, where Andy goes into detail regarding his litmus test on how he decides whether to take on a case. It’s worth noting that he does not think it matters whether his client has hit the back of a truck, has had a DUI, were speeding, or had some other issues going on. Instead, he looks at the truck driver and the truck company to see if they created a hazard whereby a crash would not have happened otherwise to determine if the case is worth pursuing or not. He goes into further details on case selection tips, including spending some money upfront to explore how the hazard was created and/or how it was confronted.
Moving the conversation into the courtroom, and wrapping up this podcast, Andy describes some of his techniques and analogies he uses to keep his case in a positive light including one he uses with his clients who are angry about their loss (rightfully so) but are in need of help to not become their case’s worst enemy by displaying their hostility. Another analogy he uses with his clients refers to how to determine what’s important and what’s not at trial, which he’s found to resonate well with his clients when he establishes the analogy with his clients early on. Andy also uses a technique where his client’s home is used as a witness, which is truly fascinating and the way he walks through it, literally and figuratively, can really give things a whole new perspective. Truly some incredible strategies and techniques worth listening to and incorporating into any case that’s going to trial.
BACKGROUND
Andrew (Andy) R. Young concentrates his practice on catastrophic truck crashes and wrongful death litigation. He holds an active, interstate, Class A Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) and regularly drives his own Peterbilt semi-tractor and 45-foot racecar trailer. He has testified as a Truck Safety Advocate before the U.S. House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Highways and Transit. He is a member of the Owner Operators Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA). He has testified on behalf of OOIDA and the Ohio Association for Justice’s Truck Safety Section before the Ohio Senate Transportation Committee. He serves as an Executive Officer of the AAJ Trucking Litigation Group and is the immediate, past-president of the Lorain County Bar Association (LCBA). Mr. Young is “AV” rated by Martindale-Hubbell, has been included in Ohio Super Lawyers, and has received numerous awards from AAJ TLG, OAJ, and was the LCBA Member of the Year in 2016. Mr. Young serves on the Board of Regents for the Academy of Truck Accident Attorneys (ATAA) and serves as the ATAA’s current Education Chair. He lectures frequently at continuing legal education programs on trucking litigation and trial advocacy. Mr. Young has served as a Moderator and on the Organization Committee for two industry “Truck Underride Roundtables” hosted at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) at their crash test facility in Ruckersville, Virginia. Mr. Young is also member of the American Board of Trial Advocates (ABOTA). Mr. Young is a partner with Young and McCarthy, LLP, located in Cleveland, Ohio and works with attorneys throughout the nation.
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118 – Deena Buchanan – An Inside View of How Insurance Companies Value Cases
Big insurance cases can become complicated quickly. The ins and outs, layers of coverage, and strategies aren’t a one-size-fits-all, but learning from someone who has spent years putting on the parachute and jumping out the plane can save you from many of the headaches that follow.
With a storied career ranging from big law and excess coverage, to truck accident and personal injury, Deena Buchanan has earned the skills to pay the bills and chooses to pay it forward. Since her switch from big law and Fortune 500 in-house counsel to the plaintiff side of law, Deena holds valuable insight that can apply to both sides of the court.
In episode 118, Michael Cowen speaks with Deena Buchanan, Managing Partner at Buchanan Law Firm, LLC. On this educational episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael and Deena also discuss what it’s like running a law firm, giving advice and brainstorming with less experienced attorneys, different excess cases, not settling against major corporations, and much more.
Featured Guest
Name: Deena Buchanan
About: Deena Buchanan brings more than 20 years of experience, thoughtfulness and a commitment to strong advocacy to every case she handles.
Deena has been a trial attorney since she was admitted to practice, and she’s earned high regards from judges, clients and other attorneys. She’s known for her thorough preparation, her oral advocacy skills during trial proceedings, and her poise and composure in any situation. She has tried employment, personal injury and wrongful death actions. She’s also represented insurance companies and major corporations, for many years, so she knows what to expect from the other side.
Though she has considerable experience in a number of jurisdictions, Deena focuses her current practice on controversies arising in New Mexico. She has a comprehensive knowledge and understanding of the laws and procedures in New Mexico, as well as local trial practice.
Company: Managing Partner, Buchanan Law Firm, LLC
Connect: Linkedin
Key Points
Top takeaways from this episode
- How do you know when there is excess coverage? It can be easy to overlook the specifics in big insurance cases, especially when there’s a large settlement offer. However, by doing this, lawyers often leave money on the table. By asking in discovery early and often about the coverage you see, you can pick out wordings and layerings being used to hide the actual amount your client could be up for.
- You need to build relationships with adjusters and decision makers. Often with insurance cases, your information is based on what is collected and provided by the defense lawyer. They’re often overworked or a true believer in the case and want to make it difficult for you to get the policy information you need. This is why it’s important to build relationships with adjusters who can get you the information you need, work around the people withholding or dragging their feet, and build your name in the industry.
- You can drive up the value of your case. By serving with complaint, pushing in discovery with motions to compel, and giving notice for depositions early, you can push the value of your case for your client up. You’re showing that you’re serious both to your client and to who you’re going after, showing you won’t settle for less or be pushed around. By doing this it strengthens a long term relationship with your client, not just adjusters, and opens the chance for them to gain higher compensation more quickly.
Episode Highlights
[02:35] Deena’s Background that led her to a successful career in law: How a career spanning many different areas can prepare you for your next steps.
[10:32] Don’t settle when there’s money on the table: It’s common for lawyers to settle for less money when they don’t quite understand the policies they’re covering.
[16:14] Finding the pressure points on the carrier: Deena talks about the pressure points you want to find for a carrier to settle the covered claim in an insurance case.
[21:56] Plaintiff lawyer questions: Deena shares specific ways a plaintiff lawyer can make sure the right information makes it to adjusters.
[30:09] How a plaintiff lawyer can drive up the case value: Deena shares ways that plaintiff lawyers can show they’re serious and drive up the relief for their clients
[35:28] How management changes affect relationships: You want a good relationship and to run a good case to avoid breaking down relationships with management at insurance companies or head adjusters.
[37:46] Experienced lawyers are willing to help you with advice: Deena and Michael discuss the fear that younger lawyers may have of asking for advice on a case – fearing that they will have to bring someone new on. But that’s not the case! Ask for advice and to brainstorm all over.
[41:33] What work Deena is doing now: Deena switched to the plaintiff side of law and has never been happier. She mainly focuses on trucking cases now, and carries her knowledge throughout her career. You can reach Deena on her website at Buchananlaw.com.
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138 – Unlocking Success: Rick Friedman on Trying Cases, Self-Improvement, and Framing Moral Truth
Losing is what helps us develop as trial lawyers. If you quit too early after losing a case, you will never know the success you could have had.
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen speaks with renowned trial lawyer and highly influential author, Rick Friedman. Rick has won multiple nine-figure verdicts, including a verdict against Monsanto for $72 million. What is the secret to Rick’s success? Getting out of his own way.
Tune in to learn more about how to frame “moral truth” for the jury and how “uncomfortable facts” can become good facts by controlling the narrative.
Featured Guest
Name: Rick Friedman
About: Rick Friedman is a partner at Friedman | Rubin who built his reputation representing regular people and small businesses injured by large corporations and government entities. He has won large verdicts in difficult cases in the fields of personal injury, defamation, insurance bad faith, and business torts. His books are considered essential reading among trial lawyers and include: Rules of the Road, Polarizing the Case, Becoming a Trial Lawyer, The Elements of Trial, and The Way of the Trial Lawyer.
Company: Friedman | Rubin, PLLP | LinkedIn
Connect: LinkedIn
Episode Highlights
[02:47] How the journey to becoming a great trial lawyer began: Early on, Rick immersed himself in “trial stuff”. Whether it was a book on opening statements or reading about social science, Rick credits various books as having a big influence on his development as a lawyer.
[09:49] Get out of your own way: Rick learned a valuable lesson along the way—not every verdict is a referendum on your worth as a human being and your quality as a lawyer.
[17:04] The power of therapy: Rick and Michael discuss how therapy improved their trial skills.
[22:06] Battle of moral truths: In virtually every case, there’s a conflict going on between certain moral values. The way lawyers frame that moral conflict impacts how jurors view the issues and how they decide the issues.
[26:55] Flip the facts: Rick explains how almost every “bad” fact can become a good fact by controlling the narrative.
[30:20] Rules of the Road: Rick talks about his book, how he develops the ‘rules of the road’ in his own cases, and the importance of simplifying the case for jurors.
[40:59] Maximize your potential: You’ll always do better by just being yourself. Work with what you have, and don’t try to be the next somebody else.
[49:25] Continuous improvement: Lawyers are like messengers–delivering facts to the jury. Good messengers are those who do not promise anything they can’t deliver, are prepared, and are honest.
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113 – Malorie Peacock – Michael and Malorie’s Latest Trial
On a good day, a personal injury trial can feel like an uphill battle. Now, add a small inhospitable venue, a less-than-sympathetic client, and a slew of video witnesses into the mix. That’s exactly where Michael and Malorie found themselves recently trying a commercial vehicle case. In this episode of the Trial Lawyer Nation, they’re here to reflect on the trial and discuss the unique challenges they faced, the strategies they employed, and actionable lessons you can take into your next trial.
To set the stage, the case involved an oilfield worker rear-ended on the highway. He suffered significant structural injuries, returned to work for a year, and ultimately had a hip replacement and additional therapies.
While liability was never in doubt, damages is where Michael and Malorie faced an uphill battle. The first challenge was that the client’s medical records said he had degenerative disc disease from childhood. How do you establish that his injuries are attributable to the motor vehicle wreck?
To complicate matters, the client returned to work, performing the same responsibilities as before the accident, only seeking treatment sporadically. To keep things interesting, the judge allowed the admission of evidence of the client’s cocaine use around the time of his treatment. These are just a few of the issues that threatened to derail our damages claims.
Join us on this episode to hear the details of the case, including our future-focused approach, witnesses and experts we called and why, the unique way we presented the medical and non-economic damages witnesses, and much more on this new episode of Trial Lawyer Nation featuring Malorie Peacock.
Featured Guest
Name: Malorie Peacock
About: Malorie J. Peacock is a Partner at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock. She was born and raised in San Antonio, Texas, and received her J.D. from the University of Houston Law Center. During her time with Cowen Rodriguez Peacock, Malorie has worked on numerous commercial vehicle, trucking, and wrongful death cases. Malorie brings close attention to detail, commitment to finding safety issues and areas of neglect, continued utilization of technology, and cutting-edge visuals in cases, along with a sincere passion for helping those who have been hurt in every case.
Company: Cowen Rodriguez Peacock
Connect: LinkedIn
Key Points
Top takeaways from this episode
- You don’t need to prove your whole case with one witness. A witness to establish damages does not have to know everything about the client’s life or know them before and after the crash and be able to compare. Instead, it has to be someone involved. The key is to string together tidbits of information into a coherent story.
- Before using video depositions during a trial, you need to know the critical predicate questions in your jurisdiction to lay the foundation to use that either as a demonstrative or to get it admitted into evidence because it makes a giant difference. You also want to make sure your videos are reasonably short and engaging. None of the videos in this case exceeded 25 minutes.
- Your client may not be likable, but you must protect and fight for them. Some clients are tough to love, but if you take their case, you want to protect them as best you can from the jury selection process and throughout the trial by looking out for obvious sentiments that could go against your client.
Episode Highlights
[01:45] The case many lawyers didn’t want to touch (Including us): Malorie Peacock provides the background for the commercial vehicle accident case.
[02:33] The challenges with the case: Michael lays out the challenges and how it looked like an impossible case to win.
[04:41] Surmounting roadblocks: Despite the many challenges, Malorie knew that the fighting chance was in identifying and telling the most important stories.
[07:24] Witnesses make a great difference: Michael commends the choice and organization of witnesses called and how their testimonies help tie the evidence together and paint the full picture.
[15:50] The smart way to use video depositions: Malorie and Michael discuss how they used video depositions, carefully editing the testimony to go straight to the point, and keeping it brief.
[22:43] Use your expert witnesses as brushes to paint the true picture: Ultimately, you’re telling a story during trial. Sometimes you need other expert witnesses to help convey the story.
[28:10] Keep notes: How the team transformed live notes into exhibits.
[31:33] Why Malorie initially didn’t want to take the case: Malorie shares why the team almost did not take the case and the importance of letting the merits of the case lead decisions.
[36:41] With an unsympathetic client, jury selection is crucial: Why the team chose to bring in jury consultants, Michael’s admission that this voir dire was different from anything he has done before, and his favorite question, “Have you ever loved somebody that you didn’t like?”
[44:20] Trials can change people: Malorie recounts her personal experience with the client and his efforts during the process to reconnect with his family and be a better person.
[52:21] Settle when the number is right: At what point does it make sense to settle during trial? Michael and Malorie share their experience.
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